The second Doyle/Green debate started out on what I thought was very strange opening question. Here, the first questioner said he had received nothing but complaints from their readers/viewers about the fierce negative campaign ads from both sides in the governors race, and that they are tired of all the finger pointing, accusations and blame, etc. So we would like to begin the debate by asking you each to tell us one negative thing about your opponent that you will stand by?! Pardon me, but haven’t we heard enough negative ads. Did you have to open the debate asking for more!! In all seriousness, you would think that the questioner would have seized the opportunity here and step out of the box on this one and ask Doyle and Green the million dollar question. With all the negativity and accusations, is there one good thing you can say about your opponent?
The rest of the debate went as expected. Green kept repeating outright lies expecting different results. The issue's are really no contest. I can't believe the race is as tight as they (polls) say it is. Doyle is by far the better candidate.
Only at the very end, did Green go lower than I would even expect him to go. In his closing statement, he went on to fabricate the idea that Gov. Doyle has a sign hanging in his office that reads, “ keep passing the buck” and then implied how horrible it is (as if it is true!), and we don’t need that kind of mentality in Wisconsin. Mark Green is a lot of things, you can now add rat to his growing resume.
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Last year, there were 55 announcements of new manufacturing plants in Illinois; there were 72 in Michigan, 35 in Minnesota, and 34 in Iowa.
In Wisconsin, there was a grand total of five.
In 2005, there were 75 announcements by companies that they were expanding their mannufacturing operations in Illinois; 180 expansions announced in Michigan, 36 in Minnesota, and 64 in Iowa.
In Wisconsin? Six.
The Menards takes 600-800 jobs out of Wisconsin. Thanks to Diamond Jim Doyle. He wants to taught that he brought 170,000 jobs to Wisconsin during his tenure. Well Mr. Doyle you have LOST a lot of jobs as well.
Well said Jimdaddy. As a businessman, I can't imagine any employer expanding in Wisconsin given our tax climateand the attitude of Jim Doyle. I think the real tragedy occured during the last six years. Property taxes have risen substatially while household incomes were flat. Doyle doesn't even acknowledge the fact that it is wrong to raise property taxes when household incomes are flat. Doyle can only be described as a socialist. He knowingly expands government spending, which inceases taxes, by transfering wealth form the private sector to the pubic sector. Doyle takes care of his special interest campaign contributors by taking even more from the taxpayers, what a concept.
So, you are in favor of charging even higher taxes to Wisconsin residents in order to increase hand-outs to wealthy corporations because we must subsidize investor dividends. If socialists want to raise the minimum wage, what do you call one in Congress who repeatedly voted to keep low wages flat for the past nine years. Green?
Raising the minimum wage wouldn't do a heck of a lot for people. Most people earning minimum wages are highschool students or part-time employees. Most minimum wage earners aren't the primary wage earners in a family. People that recieve minimum wages are only earning that wage for a short time.
If raising the minimum wouldn't do a heck of a lot for people, then why not do it. It doesn't make sense. People have to make at least $11.65 an hour full-time to make a taxable wage, most people are worth that just holding a flagpole at a construction site for their time. Republicans want people to be responsible taxpayers but they are not willing to pay them a taxable wage. Sounds like class warfare 101.
I'm still waiting for Green to explain how he will attract 50 new factories to the state.
Businessman Russ says Doyle tranfers wealth from the private sector to the public sector. If the public is Doyle's "special interest", what's wrong with that?
Why don't we just force the employers to pay people $25.00 an hour? Why stop at $11.65? Louis has no concept of how the business world works.
Why can't the job market dictate what people make?
If the job market dictated minimum wages, we would have wages equivalent to third world countries, that is apparently what you want. Sure we could go to $100 an hour, that doesn't help. But $11.65 an hour is enough so everybody is taxed to some degree or another, isn't that what wealthy people moan about? That the poor get away without paying taxes.
Mandating $11.65 minimum would have about the same impact as $3.25 a gallon gas, you adapt. Our country has veered from a decent employee/compensation based economy to and investor/dividend economy. Most wealthy people are afraid to lift all boats, and too greedy. Its ironic that the poor build wealth for somebody else.
That is why we need government, its simple, and I still would rather have public officials represent the public than working for self-serving private interests.
So if we raise the minimum wage to 11.65 an hour that would help businesses? If we raise the minimum wage to that we would be paying more for products and services. So, basically we are in the same spot as we were before the people getting minimum wages aren't going to be any better off with the 11.65 dollar amount.
No we're not. People will have more to spend and yes, products amd services will cost more, but really, so what! Think about the premise of this, half of it is in place already with the Bush taxcuts favoring wealthy individuals and businesses. Businesses can afford to pay entry level and bottom rung people more money right now at the temporary(short-term) expense of their investors. The key to this is that about 25 million workers will now pay some taxes thereby allowing the possibility of even more well placed taxcuts as incomes level out. People are not taxed... its the income. There is a difference between $5.15 and 11.00 an hour. People will be better off, the government will be better off and businesses will be better off. Only the very stinking rich will be slightly less better off. But they will still be stinking rich. You know it.
I got a taxcut and I'm not rich. That lie about only rich people got taxcuts is false. My taxrate dropped there for I have more of my paycheck. I spend more money on other things and I end up paying more taxes which is good for the economy. I really don't understand the myth of "only the rich got taxcuts" it's a lie.
The "Bush taxcuts for the rich" only implies the wealthy were heavily favored with greater cuts. Saying only the rich got a taxcut is a myth as equal to the myth that Democrats will raise everybodies taxes. Watch out when you say "I end up paying more taxes which is good for the economy. Somebody may call you a "socialist."
The rich got bigger taxcuts because they pay more TAXES. It looks bigger because they have more money to tax. 1% of one million dollars is a heck of a lot more than 1% of $100,000. Everybody who pays taxes got a taxcut. If people have more spendable income they will spend it on products. Which in turn helps the economy. They buy cars the car factory has to make more cars. More cars sold more taxes paid on the cars more money goes into the economy.
Whats stopping the business world from paying everybody a taxable wage? Don't you feel angry that nearly 30 million workers put in as many hours as you do and pay no taxes?
Louis says that if we pay people 11.65 an hour we would pay more for services and products so what. Well that doesn't make a lot of sense. If the same person is making minimum wages now and the product he/she buys is less money it's the same as if the person making 11.65 an hour and the product is 40% more that person really isn't gaining ground. The 11.65 an hour will still be minimum wage no matter how you put it. I really don't see where it would actually improve a person's well being. Everything is going to be higher if we boast the minimum wage to the 11.65 an hour range.
How much did everything increase with the price of gasoline more than doubling in two years? The economy handled it. People sacrificed, their money was confiscated at the pump. Big Oil companies sucked $250 billion dollars out of our economy each year and we're still here. If we could handle that we can pay our people better. Like with gasoline, things went up, but not everything went up proportionally the same, some things didn't go up at all. More money never helps anyone I guess. Inflation is so bad now, $11.65 should be the minimum without an argument. If it doesn't make sense to you, it's because you don't want it to make sense.
I am not an economic expert and I do not own a business. That said, it seems to me that people should make a minimum wage that allows them to support a family. I have a friend who currently makes about 11.50 per hour. He is a single father. He can barely afford the rent on his apartment, pay his electrical bill and put food on the table for his teenage son. My friend's parents help out by buying the son his school clothes. These are not people wasting their money on Nintendo games, fast food and illegal drugs. They do not qualify for any public assistance. Thankfully his job does provide his family with health insurance.
I think there are a lot of things wrong with our economy and I think it starts at the top. When big employers demand that their employees work for less, slash their benefits or move their jobs overseas while projecting record profits for their shareholders, something is wrong. At the same time the working public is pummeled with advertizing campaigns designed to whip us into a consumer frenzy for products and services we don't really need and can barely afford. Is it any wonder that people are dissatisfied with their wages when their perceptions of thier needs are so out of touch with their ability to earn? If you do have good paying job that affords you the basics of housing, food, utilities and health insurance but can't pay for the extras while your boss bemoans the fact that he has to pay you that wage, what does that say about us as a people? Can any Governor fix that?
Yes, we have to provide an economic climate to attract businesses to our state. No, we should not do that at the expense of our citizens. There must be a balance. I think Governor Doyle supports the idea of that balance. We need to look at the whole picture. Do these states that have made such huge manufacturing gains have high numbers of citizens living below poverty level? Do they protect thier environments and have good school systems? Do they have good public programs?
We cannot afford to surrender one for the other. Wisconsin is a pretty good place to live and raise a family. I won't trade that for the empty promises of big business interests who always seem to line their pockets at our expense.
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